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Offline Lukey

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Hep B Vaccine Good?
« on: January 14, 2015, 02:05:55 pm »
My gastro has suggested I get the Hep B vaccine. She said it would be three shots in all, spaced apart. Is this something I ought to get? I'm concerned about possible things in it that are not good, like possibly Mercury. In general, I am not a big fan of vaccines.

Thanks.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2015, 04:15:05 pm by Lukey »
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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2015, 03:20:31 pm »
I am a fan of vaccines, esp HBV if you have any liver disease. However, I think vaccine conversations are like talking about global warming or religion - it is pretty hard to have a conversation about it with people with opposing beliefs. So, if you don't get it, the main thing is to minimize risk of exposure, especially if you travel to countries where there is a high prevalence.
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Offline Lukey

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2015, 04:19:52 pm »
Hi,

They seem like they'd accept it if I pass on HBV vaccine. They're a nice clinic up there.

I doubt very much I'll ever leave the USA again, so maybe my chances of getting HBV or needing an HBV vaccine are quite low. Thanks for your input. 

Joe
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Did 8 weeks of Harvoni in 2015. Got normal AST & ALT and undetected VL by week 5, then relapsed 4 weeks post.
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July 5, 2018 : began 12 weeks of Vosevi with a VL of 540,000 and AST & ALT of 65 and 105.
2 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 20
5 weeks in : AST 18, ALT 12, VL "<15 detected"
10 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 14, VL "<15 not detected"
4 weeks post : "<15 not detected"

Offline HHburme

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2015, 11:59:55 pm »
got my 2 first AB vacs, 1 more to go in 5 months. Don't want to take any chances, hoping to be cured from the C and immune to AB. I agree with lporterrn.
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Offline Lynn K

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2015, 12:35:24 am »
The whole thing about mercury has been thoroughly discredited yet the belief lingers on with many. Religion, politics and immunizations not going to win an argument with a true believer.

So now we have a measles outbreak going on due in part to people not getting their kids immunized.
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Offline Lukey

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2015, 07:46:39 pm »
To each his own about vaccinations. I have 2 neutered male tabby cats that I feed a raw diet, and I haven't taken them to the vet for vaccinations in years. Their immunity is naturally much more powerful than cats that go to vets and get shots every year. Vaccinations are big $$ for big pharma, and at least with cats, these annual multiple vaccinations do more harm than good. We call it vaccinosis. Why do I do this? Because I love my cats too much than to have them shot up with (expensive) crap they don't need.

I have not got a flu shot in years, nor have I had the flu in years.

I appreciate my gastro for asking but I think I'll pass on the HBV vaccine. If I stay in the USA and don't eat raw seafood or shellfish, how would I get HBV? It's not going to jump out of the bushes and bite me.

The HBV shot could very well contain Hg (mercury) unless you found a source and contacted the makers of it and found out for sure. Typically they add all kinds of toxins to vaccines. If I ever decided to get the HBV shots, I would for sure make sure it was coming from a non contaminated source. I would not rely on hearsay. After spending 4-5 years of my life chelating mercury, and having all kinds of mercury related problems in several decades of my life due to mercury, I would never risk anything in a vaccine unless I was sure what's in it. 

Joe
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 08:39:30 pm by Lukey »
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Did 8 weeks of Harvoni in 2015. Got normal AST & ALT and undetected VL by week 5, then relapsed 4 weeks post.
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July 5, 2018 : began 12 weeks of Vosevi with a VL of 540,000 and AST & ALT of 65 and 105.
2 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 20
5 weeks in : AST 18, ALT 12, VL "<15 detected"
10 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 14, VL "<15 not detected"
4 weeks post : "<15 not detected"

Offline Lynn K

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2015, 09:13:56 pm »
Up to you Joe

Personally as I have cirrhosis I can't afford the risk. One liver killing virus is enough for me in one lifetime.

Also get my flu shot every year for decades. Only had the flu once when I did not get the shot. I got the pneumonia vaccine as my doctor recommended for those with cirrhosis even though normally it is only given to people over 65.

Basically those with cirrhosis have fragile health and weakened immune systems.

Of course when I had pets I took them in for their annual physicals as well. Because I too cared about their health.

Best to you
 
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 09:26:21 pm by Lynn K »
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Offline HHburme

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2015, 12:24:14 am »
Lynn K......I'm with you. I have a weakened immune system also. Not taking any chances.
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Offline Lukey

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2015, 03:04:56 am »
Every time I've got a flu shot, which was probably no more than once or twice, I've gotten the flu from it and it's taken me a week or so to recover from it. There are alternative supplements that can be taken for prevention of as well as treatment of the flu, and a few of those include GSE (grapefruit seed extract), WOOO (wild oil of oregano), Monolaurin, garlic, and many other things, but if you're not into that, I understand.

A couple months ago I was taking WOOO and reading a book on it which said Hep C can be cleared by taking WOOO, and I was hopeful it might, but it never even came close to it. When I had VL test done at Gastro's office last fall, it showed a VL of 5.4 million, the highest I ever remember it being. That was about the time I decided to go for Tx when the new, better meds came out, and then came Harvoni.

HCV is a stubborn virus to try to treat. I've tried therapies before that HCV only seemed to thumb it's nose at. My general health has been good but I'm very fussy about what I eat, I exercise and do things to detox my body, and I'm sure that's helped me but it has not removed my HCV as of yet.

Joe
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Did 8 weeks of Harvoni in 2015. Got normal AST & ALT and undetected VL by week 5, then relapsed 4 weeks post.
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July 5, 2018 : began 12 weeks of Vosevi with a VL of 540,000 and AST & ALT of 65 and 105.
2 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 20
5 weeks in : AST 18, ALT 12, VL "<15 detected"
10 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 14, VL "<15 not detected"
4 weeks post : "<15 not detected"

Offline kate0b1

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2015, 06:22:56 am »
this may be a slippery slope we are on here but i'll throw my thoughts in, I am more about vaccinations for the heard effect, I believe its up to those of us who can be vaccinated to protect the people who can't.  k, i'm done.

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Offline HHburme

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2015, 12:30:42 pm »
I've read that there is a possibilty of a HEP C Vacc being developed soon. Awesome!!
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Offline Lynn K

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2015, 04:10:15 pm »
Wow HH

That would be great I hadn't heard that. Especially as we have just about hopefully cured the virus. But yeah wipe out the virus and then make sure people don't catch it anymore.

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Offline HHburme

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2015, 05:35:37 pm »
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/285027.php

this is a link to article about hep c vaccine.
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Offline kate0b1

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2015, 06:06:54 pm »
that would be pretty awesome, and hey my smileys have shown up ;)

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Offline Amj1951

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2015, 06:26:54 pm »
I agree on the comment once someone's made their minds up.. there is no changing it, but I don't sleep around, don't do IV drugs.. don't do anything that would put me in the position to get anything really, yet here I am with Hep C and when I was in boarding school MANY years ago I got Hep A. Did it jump out of a bush and get me? Doubtful. They think I got Hep C from a blood transfusion during surgery.
You think you can not get Hep B because you live in the USA? I don't know who told you that lie but its not true. I am now done with 2 of the 3 shots for Hep B. Whether you have a problem with your liver, or any other organ, why chance it? Without a vaccine sadly that is what you are doing. Chancing it.

As for not vaccinating your pets. I am sorry, but that is just food hardy.. but I guess no one can make you unless you live in maybe Dallas because here we must register our animals with the city after their vaccinated.

Mercury. I don't get that. Its never been a worry for me.

As for the flu shot. If you got the flu after taking the shot you did NOT get it from the flu shot because there is no live virus in the flu shot. The idea behind the flu shot is you get it and then you can still get the flu but normally those who are vaccinated do not get it as bad. The flu kills people every year.

Ok.. enough said. I apologize is anyone is offended by my post.

Good luck to you : )
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Offline kate0b1

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2015, 06:34:36 pm »
merdith, did you know that the mad hatter was supposedly "mad" because of the use of mercury when they used it to tan hats? Thats all I got lol

kate
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Offline Lukey

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2015, 08:18:46 pm »
Quote from: Amj1951 on January 16, 2015, 06:26:54 pm
I agree on the comment once someone's made their minds up.. there is no changing it, but I don't sleep around, don't do IV drugs.. don't do anything that would put me in the position to get anything really, yet here I am with Hep C and when I was in boarding school MANY years ago I got Hep A. Did it jump out of a bush and get me? Doubtful. They think I got Hep C from a blood transfusion during surgery.
You think you can not get Hep B because you live in the USA? I don't know who told you that lie but its not true. I am now done with 2 of the 3 shots for Hep B. Whether you have a problem with your liver, or any other organ, why chance it? Without a vaccine sadly that is what you are doing. Chancing it.

As for not vaccinating your pets. I am sorry, but that is just food hardy.. but I guess no one can make you unless you live in maybe Dallas because here we must register our animals with the city after their vaccinated.

Mercury. I don't get that. Its never been a worry for me.

As for the flu shot. If you got the flu after taking the shot you did NOT get it from the flu shot because there is no live virus in the flu shot. The idea behind the flu shot is you get it and then you can still get the flu but normally those who are vaccinated do not get it as bad. The flu kills people every year.

Ok.. enough said. I apologize is anyone is offended by my post.

Good luck to you : )
Meredith


Food hardy? What's that mean?

So your way is to offend people and then apologize in the next sentence? That makes a lot of sense.

I'm going to look into blocking you from my vision on this forum. I don't agree with anything you say and furthermore I don't want to see you and your narrow minded opinions and rude mouth on here any more.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2015, 09:15:53 pm by Lukey »
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Did 8 weeks of Harvoni in 2015. Got normal AST & ALT and undetected VL by week 5, then relapsed 4 weeks post.
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July 5, 2018 : began 12 weeks of Vosevi with a VL of 540,000 and AST & ALT of 65 and 105.
2 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 20
5 weeks in : AST 18, ALT 12, VL "<15 detected"
10 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 14, VL "<15 not detected"
4 weeks post : "<15 not detected"

Offline Lukey

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2015, 08:28:18 pm »
Amj1951 :

The person you insulted with your comment that told me about leaving the USA to be more apt to get HBV was Lucinda, a nurse here and I respect her opinion. I think her ID is lporterrn.
 
I had gotten along good with everyone until you came along. Maybe someday you should look into learning how to accept an opposing view without making a fool of yourself and insulting people.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2015, 09:02:19 pm by Lukey »
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Did 8 weeks of Harvoni in 2015. Got normal AST & ALT and undetected VL by week 5, then relapsed 4 weeks post.
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July 5, 2018 : began 12 weeks of Vosevi with a VL of 540,000 and AST & ALT of 65 and 105.
2 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 20
5 weeks in : AST 18, ALT 12, VL "<15 detected"
10 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 14, VL "<15 not detected"
4 weeks post : "<15 not detected"

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2015, 08:37:49 pm »
is irritability a side effect??
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Offline Lukey

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2015, 09:05:00 pm »
You do things your way and I do things my way. I eat whole organic foods and exercise and you probably eat junk food and don't exercise. I am slim and trim and in shape. I haven't had the flu or a cold in years, and when/if I do get it, it's mild and does not put me in bed.
What does that say about your immune system as opposed to mine? That I should be doing things your way instead of my way?


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Did 8 weeks of Harvoni in 2015. Got normal AST & ALT and undetected VL by week 5, then relapsed 4 weeks post.
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July 5, 2018 : began 12 weeks of Vosevi with a VL of 540,000 and AST & ALT of 65 and 105.
2 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 20
5 weeks in : AST 18, ALT 12, VL "<15 detected"
10 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 14, VL "<15 not detected"
4 weeks post : "<15 not detected"

Offline Mike

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2015, 09:09:32 pm »
Please remember this is an open forum for members to share experiences, wisdom, support and advice. It is not a place to share insults, ad hominems and the like.

We come from all walks of life. But we have a shared history - a chronic Hep-C infection and a desire to rid ourselves from this pernicious disease - which is a tough charge.

Please keep this in mind.

Sincerely,

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Offline Lukey

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2015, 09:14:36 pm »
How do I block someone on this forum? Is it possible? If so, please tell us how.

If I can't, I'm not going to stick around here and try to deal with grumpy people that don't know enough to keep their mouths shut (or even take a second to proofread their post before they post it). I've seen what Hep C websites can be like and I had really hoped this one would not be like the old WebMD used to be.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2015, 09:26:26 pm by Lukey »
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Did 8 weeks of Harvoni in 2015. Got normal AST & ALT and undetected VL by week 5, then relapsed 4 weeks post.
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July 5, 2018 : began 12 weeks of Vosevi with a VL of 540,000 and AST & ALT of 65 and 105.
2 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 20
5 weeks in : AST 18, ALT 12, VL "<15 detected"
10 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 14, VL "<15 not detected"
4 weeks post : "<15 not detected"

Offline Lukey

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2015, 09:25:52 pm »
From now on here, I talk only of Harvoni and the side effects or improvement I get from it. I'll no longer talk about nutrition and natural health and try to influence anyone. Too many people can't accept opinions other than their own.
It just doesn't pay to stick your neck out on a Hep C forum. Someone will cut if off, sure as anything. From now on, what I eat is MY business and none of your business. I couldn't care less if you get the flu and are bedridden for 200 days a year. Life is what you make it. I very seldom get sick, and I'm not telling you why. Try googling it. I have nothing more to say about it. Too many sick know it alls that think they know more.
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Male -  HCV since 1982 - Born 1951 ~ Geno 1a

Did 8 weeks of Harvoni in 2015. Got normal AST & ALT and undetected VL by week 5, then relapsed 4 weeks post.
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July 5, 2018 : began 12 weeks of Vosevi with a VL of 540,000 and AST & ALT of 65 and 105.
2 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 20
5 weeks in : AST 18, ALT 12, VL "<15 detected"
10 weeks in : AST 19, ALT 14, VL "<15 not detected"
4 weeks post : "<15 not detected"

Offline jberlin

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Re: Hep B Vaccine Good?
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2015, 09:59:23 pm »
All,

Mike said it best a few posts ago, and I have read and reread this thread and while tempers have sparked a bit, it is a very interesting discussion, worth having.  The thing we should not forget is that as lay people our opinions are just that, no matter how strong we feel about them; and we are not here to talk someone into or out of doing something medically, let's leave that to a discussion between people and their medical professional, but rather to share experiences in hopes of providing comfort and camaraderie to the millions of us that contracted Hep C. 

Don't make this personal. I believe in vaccinations, others don't - go ask a MD if torn.  Remember how lucky we are that we can be treated and cured, or to possibly be protected by vaccination, as other people with other viral infections are not as lucky.

You can't block people in this forum, and really that would work at cross purposes to our mission here to be an open forum, we just need to call for courtesy and respect of all involved, and know as human beings we will disagree from time to time.

I have locked this thread as I think the topic was fairly discussed and anything further would just be counter-productive. Thank you all for a lively discussion, and please continue to share your stories, ask your questions and offer support in other threads.

Thank you from all of the people helped by this forum.

-jack (also a Forum Moderator)
« Last Edit: January 16, 2015, 10:17:12 pm by jberlin »
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