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Author Topic: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??  (Read 12605 times)

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Offline sandrooney

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Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« on: June 09, 2017, 05:54:26 am »
My Nurse Connector mentioned that after my 4th week that I should toss these items.
I am a little concerned that I should have been using a new one everyday the first 4 weeks ? My Doctor or Nurse Practitioner never mentioned this.
Anybody else do this ?
Thanks for the help.
SR

Offline gnatcatcher

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2017, 07:33:37 am »
SR, I continued to use the same old toothbrushes, nail clippers, and razor until my very last day of taking Harvoni. (I was already undetected after 4 weeks of treatment.) Anything metal I sterilized on that last day. Such steps are probably unnecessary, except that they do let people feel safer. There's more information in these threads:
https://forums.hepmag.com/index.php?topic=4537.0
https://forums.hepmag.com/index.php?topic=4708.0
9/29/71 transfusions
HCV genotype 1a
7/09/15-9/30/15 Harvoni

Before treatment:
Viral Load 9,490,582
FibroScan 19.5 kPa [F4]
ALT 262
AST 217
ALP 183

Most recent:
VL still UNDETECTED (SVR 102)
FibroScan 7.6 kPa [F1-2]
ALT 15
AST 20
ALP 85

Offline sandrooney

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2017, 10:18:22 am »
Thanks gnatcatcher and thanks for the links. This all helps a lot. I will get my first VL blood work next week after 4 weeks of treatment, Can't wait.
Thanks again,
SR


Offline gnatcatcher

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2017, 10:26:42 am »
SR, I'm looking forward to reading about your progress. Meanwhile, hope you can keep busy doing things you enjoy, so the time passes more quickly.
Gnatty
9/29/71 transfusions
HCV genotype 1a
7/09/15-9/30/15 Harvoni

Before treatment:
Viral Load 9,490,582
FibroScan 19.5 kPa [F4]
ALT 262
AST 217
ALP 183

Most recent:
VL still UNDETECTED (SVR 102)
FibroScan 7.6 kPa [F1-2]
ALT 15
AST 20
ALP 85

Offline sandrooney

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2017, 10:41:17 am »
That's what I am trying to do. I am picking up my grandson's today and we are spending the weekend at the Supercross races. They will be spending a month with us, so should help pass the time. I am retiring in October so that coupled with the excitement of the treatment is really making the time drag.
Thanks a lot,
SR

Offline andrew j

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2017, 08:39:29 pm »
I only shave every third day - and kept my disposable razor in a small container of bleach - or sometimes disinfectant, in between times.

I only sluiced my toothbrush once or twice.
I figured my gums weren't bleeding, so it'd be OK.

I only gave my nail clippers a bit of a wipe here and there.

Despite appearances - I really was trying to be careful?!!



Offline Jorah

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2017, 09:52:25 pm »
I don't understand the nail clippers...can nails carry the virus? I never bleed while cutting my nails.

I know someone that sterilizes his stuff by steaming them in a steamer basket that fits in a pot...our bleach is also now concentrated ..so I don't think the hep virus can survive in there...at least that is what clorox says, but bleach loses its antibacterial power after some time.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2017, 09:54:12 pm by Jorah »

Offline andrew j

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2017, 10:46:08 pm »
Yes.

... Some people chew their nails down.
Maybe that's it?

Offline Gaj

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2017, 11:31:50 pm »
I think the nail clippers risk is due to people trimming their cuticles, etc. with them.

But please be aware that sterilisation by boiling or steaming at home is not an effective method against HCV as the temp will only reach around 100°C. While it is true that medical facilities appear to do similar, they use an autoclave which will reach the temps of greater than 136°C needed to kill HCV.

Household bleach is effective but usually purchased concentrated (4-5% Sodium Hypochlorite) and should be diluted 10:1 with COLD water before use.
Male - 61 years
Genotype 3a (since 1978?)
Diagnosed 2012
Treated 2013 PEG/Riba/Dac (Relapsed)
F4 - HCC#1 Resected 06/15 - #2 RFAblated 11/15
11/18/15 Commenced Generic Tx - Sof/Dac/Riba (24wks)
Pre Tx = ALT: 270  AST: 209  ALB: 31
05/05/16 = ALT: 34  AST: 32  ALB: 40  VL: Undetected (EOT)
06/16/16 = Relapsed
06/23/16 = ALT: 92  AST: 59  ALB: 40  VL: 290,770
01/12/17 3rd Tx - Zepatier + Sofosbuvir (16wks)
05/03/17 EOT und
06/22/17 SVR7 und
07/27/17 SVR12 UND!
10/26/17 SVR24 UND & Cured!!!

Offline gnatcatcher

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2017, 02:35:32 am »
I think the nail clippers risk is due to people trimming their cuticles, etc. with them.
. . .

Yes, cuticles and hangnails. I often bled while cutting those. Jorah, you're much better at nail clipping than I am.
9/29/71 transfusions
HCV genotype 1a
7/09/15-9/30/15 Harvoni

Before treatment:
Viral Load 9,490,582
FibroScan 19.5 kPa [F4]
ALT 262
AST 217
ALP 183

Most recent:
VL still UNDETECTED (SVR 102)
FibroScan 7.6 kPa [F1-2]
ALT 15
AST 20
ALP 85

Offline Jorah

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2017, 08:47:26 am »
Didn't know about the steamer thing, thanks.  Why does the bleach have to be diluted in cold water, you would think that full strength bleach would do a better job? 

I think the nail clippers risk is due to people trimming their cuticles, etc. with them.

But please be aware that sterilisation by boiling or steaming at home is not an effective method against HCV as the temp will only reach around 100°C. While it is true that medical facilities appear to do similar, they use an autoclave which will reach the temps of greater than 136°C needed to kill HCV.

Household bleach is effective but usually purchased concentrated (4-5% Sodium Hypochlorite) and should be diluted 10:1 with COLD water before use.

Offline Jorah

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2017, 08:50:43 am »
Go to a Spa...or maybe not... those nail spas that let you soak your feet in warm water can be a dangerous place huh? They're all over the place here, each block has several ones.

Yes, cuticles and hangnails. I often bled while cutting those. Jorah, you're much better at nail clipping than I am.

Offline Lynn K

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2017, 09:00:09 pm »
I did not change any personal hygiene items while I was on treatment or perform any special procedures. I still 3 years post have the same fingernail clippers. I only changed my toothbrush at the normal time per the dentist. No bleaching of anything.

Still cured now 2 years post treatment last May

As far as a spa never been to one myself but I am sure they have procedures they must follow per their license requirements.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2017, 09:03:46 pm by Lynn K »
Genotype 1a
1978 contracted, 1990 Dx
1995 Intron A failed
2001 Interferon Riba null response
2003 Pegintron Riba trial med null response
2008 F4 Cirrhosis Bx
2014 12 week Sov/Oly relapse
10/14 fibroscan 27 PLT 96
2014 24 weeks Harvoni 15 weeks Riba
5/4/15 EOT not detected, ALT 21, AST 20
4 week post not detected, ALT 26, AST 28
12 week post NOT DETECTED (07/27/15)
ALT 29, AST 27 PLT 92
24 week post NOT DETECTED! (10/19/15)
44 weeks (3/11/16)  fibroscan 33, PLT 111, HCV NOT DETECTED!
I AM FREE!

Offline Gaj

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2017, 09:57:45 pm »
Didn't know about the steamer thing, thanks.  Why does the bleach have to be diluted in cold water, you would think that full strength bleach would do a better job?

Hi Jorah, warm/hot water will cause the active ingredients of bleach to break down quicker so always use cold and replace daily. Good question about why we dilute it, I'd just followed instructions previously so had to ask Dr. Google.  :D Apparently, apart from the safety aspect, when you combine bleach with water it forms hypochlorous acid which is an oxydiser and contributes to the sterilisation process.

To be honest, from my research the risk of reinfection from these sort of sources seems to be very, very small but having said that, for my own peace of mind I did sterilise all these sort of items on the last day of treatment.
Male - 61 years
Genotype 3a (since 1978?)
Diagnosed 2012
Treated 2013 PEG/Riba/Dac (Relapsed)
F4 - HCC#1 Resected 06/15 - #2 RFAblated 11/15
11/18/15 Commenced Generic Tx - Sof/Dac/Riba (24wks)
Pre Tx = ALT: 270  AST: 209  ALB: 31
05/05/16 = ALT: 34  AST: 32  ALB: 40  VL: Undetected (EOT)
06/16/16 = Relapsed
06/23/16 = ALT: 92  AST: 59  ALB: 40  VL: 290,770
01/12/17 3rd Tx - Zepatier + Sofosbuvir (16wks)
05/03/17 EOT und
06/22/17 SVR7 und
07/27/17 SVR12 UND!
10/26/17 SVR24 UND & Cured!!!

Offline Johnny_Wayne

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2017, 08:19:15 pm »
I relapsed my first go around, so the second time I got treated I went nuts about changing toothbrushes, razors, ointments etc. On toothbrushes, I went to the dollar store and bought new packs of 6 toothbrushes each so as to have a new toothbrush each and every day. (I do have bleeding gums). Likewise I purchased the cheap twin blade packs of razors so as to have a fresh razor every day. Likewise I threw out everything that could have ever possibly been in contact with Hep C. (Ointments, creams, rubbing alcohol, peroxide, nasal spray, eye drops....everything. Those items I replaced once per month if they had been used at all. Was this gross overkill? Maybe.. But as a person with F4 cirrhosis I was already one of the hardest patients to cure, so I decided to take absolutely NO RISK that could be eliminated. Today, after two years of treatment, relapse, insurance battles, lawyers, retreatment, etc, I am (Thank God) finally cured, and I don't regret the extra expense one bit.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2017, 08:23:01 pm by Johnny_Wayne »
Diagnosed 04/2014
Started Harvoni 10/2014
Undetectable 01/2015
Relapsed 04/2015
F4 Cirrhosis (Compensated - barely)
Child Pugh Score 6-7
MELD Score 10
Started Olysio/Sovaldi/Ribavirin (24 weeks)
EOT Not Detected 11/9/2016
--------------------------------
5-10-2017
Virus undetected SVR 24 Achieved
I AM FINALLY CURED!

Offline gnatcatcher

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2017, 08:24:37 pm »
BIG congratulations on the SVR24!
9/29/71 transfusions
HCV genotype 1a
7/09/15-9/30/15 Harvoni

Before treatment:
Viral Load 9,490,582
FibroScan 19.5 kPa [F4]
ALT 262
AST 217
ALP 183

Most recent:
VL still UNDETECTED (SVR 102)
FibroScan 7.6 kPa [F1-2]
ALT 15
AST 20
ALP 85

Offline Johnny_Wayne

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2017, 08:26:22 pm »
Thank you! It sure is nice to wake up each day and realize I am no longer actively (and rapidly) dying. What a blessing indeed.
Diagnosed 04/2014
Started Harvoni 10/2014
Undetectable 01/2015
Relapsed 04/2015
F4 Cirrhosis (Compensated - barely)
Child Pugh Score 6-7
MELD Score 10
Started Olysio/Sovaldi/Ribavirin (24 weeks)
EOT Not Detected 11/9/2016
--------------------------------
5-10-2017
Virus undetected SVR 24 Achieved
I AM FINALLY CURED!

Offline Jorah

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2017, 08:54:41 pm »
Thanks Gaj, I'm going to watch this anyways. I bought cheap razors and brushes, I just didn't want to toss my oral b brushes that are not cheap. The nail clippers I can dunk in clorox and boil the hell out of them. The nurse said as long as I'm taking the pill, she doubts I can reinfect myself..more like when tx is over....

Hi Jorah, warm/hot water will cause the active ingredients of bleach to break down quicker so always use cold and replace daily. Good question about why we dilute it, I'd just followed instructions previously so had to ask Dr. Google.  :D Apparently, apart from the safety aspect, when you combine bleach with water it forms hypochlorous acid which is an oxydiser and contributes to the sterilisation process.

To be honest, from my research the risk of reinfection from these sort of sources seems to be very, very small but having said that, for my own peace of mind I did sterilise all these sort of items on the last day of treatment.

Offline Jorah

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2017, 08:57:05 pm »
Thanks for sharing congratulations !!!

Thank you! It sure is nice to wake up each day and realize I am no longer actively (and rapidly) dying. What a blessing indeed.

Offline Jorah

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Re: Toothbrushes, nail clippers and razors ??
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2017, 05:44:41 pm »
Saw the hepatologist today, said you can't reinfect yourself while on treatment, with your own toothbrushes and razors.

 


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